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Informacje na temat estrow oraz ogolna wiedza - Na pytania odpowie Thomas Schaefer (TomNJ)

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Some VMs are not compatible with some POEs. This usually shows when the oil is cold, which is why ALL formulations, whether they contain POEs or not, should be tested for compatibility of the ingredients. This should involve cold/hot cycling and long term cold storage.
 
@TomNJ Is the concentration of this POE also important? If I would add <10 wt% ? I am against adding group V oils on my own.
 
Hard to say as it depends on what ester and VM are used. I have seen this once before, and that formulation had a base oil that was 50% esters (three different kinds) and 50% PAO. It occurred after cold storage, and after changing to a different VM the problem went away.
 
@TomNJ Do you think that oils are worth replacing by replacing VMs with mPAO?
 

Do you know this ester?
 
I know of it but have not worked with it. It could be used as a biofuel, solvent, and possibly a friction modifier, but I do not consider it useful for PCMOs.
 
I found him here: http://www.bgfleming.com/SDS/103.pdf

What is your opinion on this type of oils? You can also see quite a bit of low viscosity mineral oil, which would make sense in theory to wash the engine. Overall this mixture can have a nice aniline point and a Kauri-Butanol value.
 
This looks like a solvent type engine cleaner. I don't use engine cleaners and so have no opinion.
 
The oxidation value by FTIR does not directly measure ester base oil content, it measures carbonyl bonds, C = O. Ester base oils contain C = O bonds, but so do some of the additives.

If the oxidation value of an oil is significantly higher than the average conventional oil it usually indicates the presence of some ester base oil content, but how much is difficult to say without knowing which ester is being used. Ester base oils used in motor oils may contain one, two, three, four, six or more C = O containing ester linkages, so to calibrate the oxidation value against the ester content you need to know which ester (s) are being used and the effect of the additive system. Best you can say is the higher the oxidation value above an average conventional non-ester oil, the higher the ester base oil content is likely to be, but assigning a percentage without composition information and calibration is just a guess.

An ester content of around 5-15% is enough to provide additive solubility and seal conditioning, and more will kick in some cleaning capability and lubricity, but too much can adversely affect seals. Exact numbers depend on which esters and other balancing base oils and additives are used.
 
Hello @TomNJ

So that's why we should have some important knownledge about the manufacturer from which we would like to bought fully synthetic motor oil.

This question probably will be connected with a bit older cars and youngtimers.
I would like to ask you about the HTHS. Oils in the same viscosity and ACEA class have different values of this parameter. As I saw some of them have HTHS 3.5 mPas, some 3.9 mPas and other over 4 mPas up to even 4.5 ! Should be worry about this value ? Does higher values can cause faster wear of the engine or maybe guarantee better protection in more demanding use cases ?
 
It depends on the engine and the driving conditions. Best to follow the manufacturer's recommended viscosity grade, which includes HTHS. In general, higher values should offer better wear protection - up to a point - but hurts fuel economy.
 
Well, if manufacturer recommendation is to use SAE 40 viscosity class and ACEA A3 oil, the higher HTHS in this case should provide better overall engine protection and prolongs engine lifetime. Is that correct ? I am aware that not all of the manufacturers provide this data, but some of them fortunately yes.
 
A higher HTHS viscosity within the manufacturer's recommended viscosity grades should provide more wear protection, but such added protection may not be needed depending on the engine and driving conditions, and will come at the cost of fuel economy.
 
@TomNJ tris(branched-alkyl) borate, are you familiar with this chemical compound?
 
@TomNJ Have you had contact with this type of esters? From what I can see it is used in low viscosity gear oils.
 

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@TomNJ Do you remember that oil? One of the first to be based on Group IV, SAE 5W-20. 1974.
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